you go back before president ronald reagan came to washington we have higher tax rates on the incomes savings and economists have been arguing for ever that it is the wrong way to go that it discourages, sitting and discouraging investment and overtime they've come down to the state to go back in the direction of putting heavier burdens. >> what about the notion. that's just a heavy left isn't it? stat it's exactly the same rhetoric and the same politics base broadening, lowering tax reform coming you saw in the recent presidential campaign we have a candidate running on the 20% rate and 25% rate you might think in washington that means we are going to end at 26.5 until you try to figure out how to pay for it, and the politicians will talk about rolling back loopholes but when you actually look at them that tax policy decisions that have been made about the depreciation and manufacturing and the energy industry all of which have significant constituencies behind them and all of which are difficult to address. islamic of course we haven't had a whole lot of folks at least i've heard of